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Max Chernov visits Shanghai to interview Paul Ashton, an American who has lived in China for eight years and became famous for the city not city meme. The conversation ranges from cultural contrasts between the US and China, perceptions of foreigners, and the dynamic changes of Shanghai as a global city. Paul explains how Shanghai’s mix of international exposure and local warmth shaped his decision to stay in China, how Chinese people react to foreigners, and how living in China shifted his view of the US. He shares personal anecdotes about speaking Chinese, receiving compliments on language, and the humorous realities of cultural exchange, including a funny elevator moment in Beijing and the unexpected spread of his city meme. The chat delves into surveillance perceptions, daily life in Shanghai, infrastructure, and the fast pace of Chinese urban development. Paul reflects on generational differences, American cultural narratives, and the value of cultural relativism gained from years


















